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Bassma · Jan 12, 2011, 07:12 AM // 07:12

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Originally Posted by TheGizzy

It's only a better value if you enjoy how you spent that money more. Personally, I don't consider it a better value to blow $15/month on a game I have no use for.

I'd rather go to McDonald's once with my husband and spend an hour chatting with him about our day.

That's a better use of MY time and MY money.

Obviously, you find it better to spend it on WoW. Congratulations, you've found something you like to do. Shouldn't you be making use of that valuable asset you've acquired, instead of wasting your time on a fansite for a game you've said you no longer enjoy, lecturing people who are not interested in WoW on how much "better value" they'd get for THEIR money and THEIR time?

I know this may come as a shock to you - but people actually like different things, and place different values on various activities. My father-in-law thinks gaming is a waste of time... doesn't understand what hubby and I see in it. I think his golfing hobby is silly as all get out... but he enjoys it, and would rather spend his money on green fees than on a game. Be kind of silly for me to tell him that my $20 ONCE for a game he wouldn't like is a "better value" than his $20 each time he hits the course. To him, it obviously wouldn't be. We've begun compromising at holidays and birthdays... we give each other Visa gift cards... that way he's not buying us a "pointless game," and I'm not buying him "silly little balls he'll lose in an hour."

Value is relative, not absolute.

You're not the ONLY ONE here so it's not a lecture it's FACTS presented for ALL to see not just YOU. So, don't act like you represent the entire community of GW or even Guru. I do represent the FACTS about WOW and the value of that $15 vs a meal or a movie.

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I got so bored in WoW that my money is better spent on a single evening meal than a full month in WoW.
WoW didn't entertain me the least.

Of course I don't believe this in the least because these are always the childish remarks of those that haven't ever played WOW and only use it to futher their own agenda's in cutting WOW down. Plus it doesn't even matter because it doesn't take away that WOW is the single most successful MMO out there bar none. It makes the most money, has the most subscribers that DO PAY $15 a month and will continue to be successful in the future as Guild Wars dwindles away just as soon as Guild Wars 2 comes out. So you can laugh (at yourself) all you want to but you'll never take away the FACTS of how SUCCESSFUL WOW is and continue to be. WOW is KING of the MMO's, while Guild Wars will just be a fly in the night in comparison.

Mangione · Jan 12, 2011, 09:48 AM // 09:48

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Originally Posted by Bassma

You're not the ONLY ONE here so it's not a lecture it's FACTS presented for ALL to see not just YOU. So, don't act like you represent the entire community of GW or even Guru. I do represent the FACTS about WOW and the value of that $15 vs a meal or a movie.

Sorry, I agreee with her, not with you. So it's not "just her".
Those "facts" are just subjective ideas you are trying to push onto others. You can moan all you want, that aren't absolutes.

(ps- no offence meant, but the bolded part made me really laugh IRL)

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Originally Posted by Bassma

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I got so bored in WoW that my money is better spent on a single evening meal than a full month in WoW.
WoW didn't entertain me the least.

Of course I don't believe this in the least because these are always the childish remarks of those that haven't ever played WOW and only use it to futher their own agenda's in cutting WOW down.

You are free to believe what you want. Even if you don't believe it, that won't change the fact that I've played WoW, and after 3 months I was bored like hell.

LoL @ "teh agenda in cutting WoW down". There is no agenda, no conspiracy, put away the tin foil hat. I gain nothing in saying that I don't like a videogame and I was bored by it. Get over it. Does WoW entertain you? Well, good for you. But, why on earth are you trying so much to force us into liking WoW?

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Originally Posted by Bassma

Plus it doesn't even matter because it doesn't take away that WOW is the single most successful MMO out there bar none. It makes the most money, has the most subscribers that DO PAY $15 a month and will continue to be successful in the future as Guild Wars dwindles away just as soon as Guild Wars 2 comes out. So you can laugh (at yourself) all you want to but you'll never take away the FACTS of how SUCCESSFUL WOW is and continue to be. WOW is KING of the MMO's, while Guild Wars will just be a fly in the night in comparison.

The fact that has the most subscribers doesn't mean it is the best, just as much as Justin Bieber sells a lot of CDs doesn't mean he's the best thing happened to music in a long time.

LoL @ your absolutes again. WoW is the biggest in North America and probably EU, but you are forgetting to count in the rest of the world, and places like Corea/China/Japan, who are big MMO consumers. WoW has got 13M subscribers today in 2011.

According to this article written in 2004

Webzen "estimates 40 Million registrants hold temporary or recurring subscriptions for its online game "Mu" in China and South Korea"
Gravity Corp claimed Ragnarok online had 25M subscribers.

In 2007 NCSoft declared Lineage II had 17M subscribers worldwide. link.

You are free to do some research yourself.

Bassma · Jan 12, 2011, 11:20 AM // 11:20

key words HAD and old dates and old numbers WOW is PRESENT and FACT #1 MMO try again. btw Corea? lol you can't even spell.

Mangione · Jan 12, 2011, 11:37 AM // 11:37

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Originally Posted by Bassma

key words HAD and old dates and old numbers WOW is PRESENT and FACT #1 MMO try again. btw Corea? lol you can't even spell.

WoW is king of MMOs as much as others were before it (and has yet to reach those figures). Others were more successful, and others will supersede it, but the fact is still this: if you like it, play it, but why are you trying to shove it in the throat of people with different tastes, that is beyond me.

It could even reach 50M of subrscribers, if it doesn't entertain me, I'm not going to pay for it "just because some other people do".
Well, I like GW because I LIKE IT, I couldn't care less about the number of people playing it.
I think that all those who complain about GW not being like WoW is because they came to GW looking for a cheap (as in "no monthly fee") WoW clone, then they are disappointed they still have to pay their monthly fix of WoW and start whining on Gw forums about how bad GW is compared to WoW.

BTW, in Italian and in Spanish we write "Corea", to point what you call "Korea", that's why I did this mistake (English is not my first language, and I believe/hope it isn't yours too).
Thanks for pointing out though, if you have to pick on insignificant stuff like this, that means that you are out of arguments.

Since you want to pick on spelling, and grammar, I hope you won't mind if I join the fun.

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Originally Posted by Bassma

Key word IS "HAD" , and old dates and old numbers, WOW is PRESENT and FACT #1 MMO. Try again. Btw Corea? Lol, you can't even spell.

There, fixed it for you.

chullster · Jan 12, 2011, 12:45 PM // 12:45

Fact: WoW looks like a game for children under 12

No idea how good it actually is, it might be awesome for all I know, but why would I play something that has childish themes and requires me to "rent" the game?

Zenzai · Jan 12, 2011, 01:37 PM // 13:37

Besides having no monthly fee, limited, and mostly optional grind, not losing experience/items/gold when I die, even ground for the players equipment wise, being able to customize my weapons/armor stats and colors separately, being able to teleport to any found town/outpost freely, being able to switch servers freely in towns, being able to play with my friends/people I want and not being f***ed with by some unwanted asshats, I like to know where the main story is and not have to wander around like a chicken without their head for weeks trying to get there.

Lasai · Jan 12, 2011, 02:36 PM // 14:36

I have held off commenting.. but I would easily vote GW as best of the Decade.

I have played Earth and Beyond, SWG, EQ, EQ2, WoW, Vanguard, AoC, LoTR
all seriously, not trials. Of those only SWG held much promise of innovation, and that was tossed aside at NGE. EVE seems to have stuck to thier concepts and customers as well, but I have no interest in a non ground game and so have not tried it.

WoW, regardless of its success, is nothing more than a repackage of concepts dating back to UO and EQ. Nothing but grind, rinse and repeat, same old formula in a Fisher Price package. If anything, WoWs success with such a simple repackaging stunted the innovation of the whole Genre, and helped dilute many existing games as marketing depts slavishly tried to duplicate WoW sub numbers by inplementing WoW simplicity.. NGE and trends in other games to dumb down the learning curve.

GW is different and remains so. Little required grind, infinite skillsets, no focus on timesinking forever to gain gear, instant max level pvp char, emphasis on skillset vs gearset. Unique instancing that allows different content by char. No Sub, and unlike other FTP mmos no need to pay at a cash store to ungimp your "free" char to have any hope of playing successfully.

The game is beautiful and runs well without requiring a supercomp.

Even with GW2 looming I have no plans to leave this game till they shut the servers down. GW2 looks nice, but they are abandoning elements I really enjoy, instanced world and Heroes...so I will stick with GW and try GW2 at the same time.

And to the rabid WoW Fanboi.. no one would argue that Macdonalds is possibly the most successful FRANCHISE... many would doubt arguments that they produce the BEST burger... subjective opinion re the quality of products can vastly differ from sales numbers. Walmart is huge..but do they sell the "best" products?

TheGizzy · Jan 12, 2011, 02:49 PM // 14:49

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Originally Posted by Bassma

You're not the ONLY ONE here so it's not a lecture it's FACTS presented for ALL to see not just YOU. So, don't act like you represent the entire community of GW or even Guru. I do represent the FACTS about WOW and the value of that $15 vs a meal or a movie.

Of course I don't believe this in the least because these are always the childish remarks of those that haven't ever played WOW and only use it to futher their own agenda's in cutting WOW down. Plus it doesn't even matter because it doesn't take away that WOW is the single most successful MMO out there bar none. It makes the most money, has the most subscribers that DO PAY $15 a month and will continue to be successful in the future as Guild Wars dwindles away just as soon as Guild Wars 2 comes out. So you can laugh (at yourself) all you want to but you'll never take away the FACTS of how SUCCESSFUL WOW is and continue to be. WOW is KING of the MMO's, while Guild Wars will just be a fly in the night in comparison.

Is it really so difficult for you to accept that not every person likes or enjoys the same things? Do you not think that if we LIKED WoW, we'd be playing it? That we'd be spending our money on it, instead?

I remember when Blizzard first launched Warcraft. I didn't like it, either. I am a huge fan of Diablo however, and provided they don't try and turn it into a WoW clone, I will happily hand my money over to Blizzard later this year to snag a copy of DIII the instant it hits the shelves. My husband, best friend and I have been waiting for DIII ever since we finished LOD - which was about a week after it was released. I think we slept about 10 hours that week, total. We took vacation time to coincide with the release so we'd be free to play at our leisure. It was awesome! We love the Diablo franchise so much we've bought multiple copies of the battle chest so as to ensure that we're never without functional copies.

That doesn't mean I'm willing to sink a dime into their other title... WoW is simply not for me. My best friend plays it still, primarily because he feels obligated to keep up with it for the sake of our other friend who is his guild leader. He's fallen pretty far behind because he's been sucked into Fallout:LV since he got it for Christmas... and because he's been off playing GW with me. ;-)

My husband spent two days playing WoW and said, "this utterly sucks, I'm done." It didn't suit him. He also plays GW.

I don't like MMO's where other players can impact my game progress whether I want them to or not the way they can in WoW. That's why I never played the Ladders in Diablo... hubby, best friend and I played LAN with each other. I do not want to be forced to play with other people who can screw me over and influence my progress, my rewards, my goals. I will not play GW2 if I find that their dynamic environments keep me from moving forward because another player decides to be a slime bag and mess up my kill. I don't do PvP in GW for the same reason... I don't want to HAVE to play with or against others unless I choose to. It sounds like ANet has figured out a way to have an MMO environment with dynamic global events - without the negative crap WoW has of people stealing a kill, stealing drops, etc. I hope so, or I won't be buying GW2.

You talk about a supposed agenda... yet we're not the ones visiting a fansite for another game, telling those players how much their game sucks, and trying to convince them that they should sink their money into a game they've said they're not interested in.

This is a GW fansite... not a WoW fansite. Why do you feel the need to convince us that your favorite game should be everyone's favorite game? It really is ok for us to like different things, you know... the world won't end because of it, honest.

Bassma · Jan 13, 2011, 01:00 PM // 13:00

I give you the "MOST POPULAR GAME" by 66 reviews of all time.

http://www.gamerankings.com/pc/index.html

Yes WOW wins again and look Guild Wars is nowhere to be seen on those lists. Amazing when it's suppose to be sooooooooooooooooooo popular.

chullster · Jan 13, 2011, 01:10 PM // 13:10

I've decided this guy is a troll from 4chan /b/ and is laughing at everyones reactions.

Surely he's not actually serious

............

Mangione · Jan 13, 2011, 01:34 PM // 13:34

@chullster: I agree with you. Even if he is quite a failtroll, no one can be so dense.

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Originally Posted by Bassma

I give you the "MOST POPULAR GAME" by 66 reviews of all time.

http://www.gamerankings.com/pc/index.html

Yes WOW wins again and look Guild Wars is nowhere to be seen on those lists. Amazing when it's suppose to be sooooooooooooooooooo popular.

Check the dictionary. "Popular" doesn't mean "the best". Try again.

Verene · Jan 13, 2011, 02:57 PM // 14:57

Notice that in the "All-time Best" list...WoW does not come up on it at all.

And if you search for Guild Wars, then it comes up, with a 89.9% score. Less than two points below what WoW has on there. Half of that 'popular' list has a lower score than that. The list is simply based on what people are playing right now. Of course WoW will top it - a new expansion just came out.

Wrath of m0o · Jan 15, 2011, 02:59 AM // 02:59

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Originally Posted by ruk1a

GW didn't beat WoW, the fact that any of you think this poll is valid in any way is hilarious to me.

GW has beaten WoW since April 05, i have saved $870 by playing GW. Thanks Anet.

*lemming* · Jan 15, 2011, 04:21 AM // 04:21

My McDouble beats your USDA Prime ribeye cooked to medium-rare because I saved $39 for eating it.

Wait.

yitjuan · Jan 15, 2011, 06:44 AM // 06:44

it all boils down to whether you like being in a gear race or not. That's all. I remember being in 25m Argent Tourney and selling a trinket drop for over 20k , thats close to 200 ectos in GW money , yes, a trinket drop from the 4th boss because it was BiS for all DPS pvp classes. In Guild Wars you dont need to rely on gear checks to be leet and thats why it appeals to a mature group of people.